关于鸭子湖: Duck Lake or Goose Lake

arbo

那天路过鸭子湖，我说我们中国人叫 Hawrelak Park为鸭子湖。朋友问为什么。我开玩笑说，我们中国人不会发那个名字的音。
朋友说，你也发不好 Duck Lake 的音。
我想了想，是的。下次改叫 Goose Lake。

伊人

好

suvescape

Goose 中的oo,就一定能发好么?

arbo

I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
I am working on it now, any suggestions?

billzhao

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 14:03
6 w3 d* r$ U7 i0 C3 @. s; Z7 R) u: CI have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

which sound?
" n& M' L/ a2 F/ O2 ~% m& }) j. dd or u
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arbo

Come on, I am not an Indian.

billzhao

hehe, right, Indians cannot say d

jsw

我的理解是：
9 w1 `3 X/ t: n7 |再复杂的读音，你把他标好后，先一个音节一个音节的分开读，然后连起来读。
等到你觉得整个单词读得正确了，就重复读个100遍。这样应该能解决了。
如果一次不行，你就每天找个时间练。可以把那个音标贴在门上或放在你电脑前... 就像卖油翁那样。。。

Crisis

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arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
) V1 }$ f, t' F' w2 [6 G' tI have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出现的元音－－－所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！

' o/ a7 o( K8 S8 p# p如何发？有两种方法供参考，如下：
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6 H" I: f) n2 |8 J* L9 x- x１、在面部肌肉放松，口腔肌肉包括舌头也放松的情况下，要么用手使劲捏自己勃子的喉结处（女性请参考男性的相关位置），直到自己实在忍受不住了，而发出声音，要么，用自己的拳头对准胸部使劲捶打一下，很意外地发出来的声音，就象了。

２、或者，可以参考当地人发CANADA时的尾音－－－原音a，将其应用到所有单词中的同样发音中

1 G( }3 N! U9 N! y3. 最后，谁给suvescape扔鸡蛋了？人家一片好心，却被误解。赶紧送鲜花补上吧。suvescape是对的，oo的音其实更难发，很多人尤其是同胞以为发对了，其实与正确的发音还相差甚远－－－正如咱以前那样。

arbo

I think they might be different. Duck is a stressed vowel.
: g# j( x. m; i( B5 r6 H: H+ h( oCanada 的尾音－－－原音a is schwa.
" ?7 @) M* G: b# N- C2 ?Can you explain?

arbo

I checked it again. You are right: it is also a schwa.

arbo

One useful link: http://www.pronuncian.com/Lessons/Default.aspx?Lesson=98

jsw

Crisis 发表于 2012-3-15 08:38
0 c! x+ j3 p8 M如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出 ...

<所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！>
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; V  e2 C4 I8 ^0 h: }Crisis: 这几个元音字母非重读的音是/&#601;/吧。
! z$ X4 j3 I, \0 C' p2 a/ C$ [$ z　　　当然，赖哥似乎是把它和/&#652;/等同的。我个人有点怀疑。
　　　
+ g6 _# Q% W: P* ^5 f  ]　　　我个人觉得duck还是应该读成/d&#652;k/,而不是/d&#601;k/，就像bus应该读成/b&#652;s/而不是/b&#601;s/......
+ O" `5 A- v& m4 p0 N1 x! u# z% q! t; ?! w         当然，很多人分别读成/dak/,/bas/，这样就失去了应有的“声音往下压，短促”的韵味了，给人一种“拖沓”的声音感觉。(中文双引号中内容只是我个人的发音体会的描述。)

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
# d8 _+ F+ }/ Q7 {% L/ f# o! |5 G. j- eI am working on it now, any suggestio ...

能把oo发对很不容易呀。
* u' h1 \9 i9 _( ]( A" \9 e我以前就分不清full和fool，像云吞有个帖子里说得那样。

duck的u发不准，是不是和Arbo的方言背景有关？不是你老家在那个区域......

arbo

To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
3 m3 V# N  x8 U9 OI think my local dialect doesn't interfere with my English. The problem is the British accent.

月如钩

Hawrelak的音标是什么？

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-3-16 09:54
- |- H+ }' G$ w6 I5 s6 e& L. [) _To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
I think my local dialect doesn't ...

' p9 l3 I7 G' F0 k' U& J3 O- t& |Cool.
! P9 ]# J0 q+ a% r& QFurther, those who can speak more than one dialect are better able to produce sounds in a foreign language. I learned that from a linguistics book written by 桂灿昆.

月如钩

http://www.box.com/s/838e14f49f4d1c390324
. k  A: [* f3 Z6 B2 C9 K! [这个发音对吗？

arbo

I don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

月如钩

arbo 发表于 2012-3-19 17:13
2 W- J2 t; t$ P# t8 R# Q; }# ]I don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

Thanks! Just google it and got such one as follows,
I believe it's HAV-ri-lak. The name is Ukranian. It is often transliterated into English with a "v," not a "w." (William Hawrelak was mayor of Edmonton in the 1950s, 60s and early 70s.)
+ U' V7 g1 }7 H9 Whttp://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2093383
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