送外卖，不给小费正常吗？

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表

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You may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.

US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!
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$ g9 k- K3 u8 lSomeone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表
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$ F7 p5 f% A& ghoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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* `& U# N0 f5 E+ xBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表


I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

& h# |& k; M4 ]9 B! [! Wplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!

  \4 b' L( u2 [6 `3 e& ^[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:54 编辑 ]

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表

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% W4 l0 l+ ?  `8 P6 H1 LBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada

% q& j! N; ]8 k7 t+ gwhat's the logic there?

/ U4 s$ f. u% M/ @5 Twhen you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表

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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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haha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.

裙裾飘飘

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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4 T- M: G/ e6 t% S, {- ZThe exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense

让爱住我家

全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～

刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。

写中文吧，各位～～

elle

原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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3 s3 s" ~: O4 W' ]* LTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!

The exception is: so ...

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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
' K' w+ M5 W; h5 VThere's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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9 n: l+ z' ?1 I( ^- b! y; [+ p6 x; mOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.

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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表
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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.

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what's the logic there?
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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表
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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表
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don't use big words that you don't understand.   

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猪刀小试

原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～

刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。

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# l% O! U" x* a# ~. m3 S9 h 想跟着灌，插不进嘴～

OliveOil

俺是胆小怕事的主儿，原想用英文回英文，竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的（英文）词，唉，惭愧呀！

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三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
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- U0 i) T. O1 A0 N! @7 c7 Xi am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.

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大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做：习俗常规（custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文，比如你当众放屁谁也管不着，甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的，别人还会善意的微笑，但是你天天吃黄豆，到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股，你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈，不举那么多例子了。
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U-boat

唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费（少于10%， 给不给差不多）。。。难怪人家stereotype

smalleagle

LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表
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  ]+ Y' W- Q* D7 Y- ihaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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7 k% X" D2 c- m8 G% h* g0 D( h0 _9 vthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去

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你别捣乱了，可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧！

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表

+ e) C. ^7 S( V2 N9 j2 a 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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i do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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疯青羊

又搞这么多英语

猪刀小试

原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
又搞这么多英语

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三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表


i do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.
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/ \7 P; C0 T& h+ ~% r' u2 B你看看, 整儿个一个跑题,谁跟谁一头的都乱了!
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三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表
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- a/ i8 M+ M" l2 E" o! F看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

' p. Y2 |4 \( R* b6 }/ R; Q4 h1 q 正全力督办此事。

猪刀小试

靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

francais

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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( U: K6 n4 d, i& ]' D( H1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
2 再问是否需要点其他的，
5 N. z' z% N( o3 再问是否送得太慢，
3 r' B7 V$ z% e4 在问是否服务太差。
5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

, n3 d- W9 G* A- e0 {% ~' Q0 g这些招数值得一试。
我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅，更绝，收费的时候直接把小费要出来，15％。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的，记得以前学得很多外语资料（英语和法语）都有这样介绍的。

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉，三大妈有空也来吧，咱好好给他讲讲～

酷暑严寒

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状

1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
2 再问是否需要点其他的，
3 再问是否送得太慢，
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$ T0 l( F) `: S; \+ F0 Z2 y5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

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这个应该管用！  

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  
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咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  

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