送外卖，不给小费正常吗？

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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For Employer:
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+ \, y( d* n& {; r2 h- rYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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3 U" ?" V! ?8 X# r: g. s, I# xhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!

Someone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表


6 a: |* p; r7 ]& j9 A5 `8 `: Ehoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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4 t  Y2 G$ d: u# SUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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, |2 u, m  F: I: ?9 QUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!

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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表


1 v  a. k9 o9 D* qUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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: Z7 o* p" i. F* c1 G5 \9 v6 |But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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% u6 k5 [: m" ?& T( vYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.

0 Q& o3 j5 J! c  ]tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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what's the logic there?

when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表

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7 A1 U1 O+ P2 b/ k% qplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

haha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.

裙裾飘飘

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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7 i. e% j* E4 {+ m# ^! T4 ZBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

* ~! ^% T' ~( Q; x; x! W5 x! a. oTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!

The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense

让爱住我家

全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～

刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。
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elle

原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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, x  ~8 x: D1 tTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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The exception is: so ...

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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
6 s! e& i# Q0 }# u' Y; X# sThere's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表

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$ k* s7 _* t; Q( I5 \/ pYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.

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+ n) g, _" T4 q0 D, e/ G4 G! Vwhat's the logic there?

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2 C7 L5 _) D, O6 D8 U7 J4 lI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表
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1 c% u; n5 i0 |3 C* \8 lI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

8 }8 W7 U! g! W4 Bit's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  
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# ~6 x$ x( @4 F# vright, i do hold tight to my own opinion.

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表
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don't use big words that you don't understand.   

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猪刀小试

原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
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OliveOil

俺是胆小怕事的主儿，原想用英文回英文，竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的（英文）词，唉，惭愧呀！

! J/ b( W( n! ^2 b没有人找到加国的税法？我是没辄，公司的LAP　TOP给BLOCK了　

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
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这小妮子真要讲理哈！

大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做：习俗常规（custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文，比如你当众放屁谁也管不着，甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的，别人还会善意的微笑，但是你天天吃黄豆，到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股，你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈，不举那么多例子了。
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U-boat

唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费（少于10%， 给不给差不多）。。。难怪人家stereotype

smalleagle

LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表
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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.

the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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你别捣乱了，可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧！

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表
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, O* Z' q* @6 V9 O如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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# S& w' n5 {9 |3 _; ]: c# Hi do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.

* J. k, k% q! U7 E2 J: \i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候，政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了，所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...

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疯青羊

又搞这么多英语

猪刀小试

原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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! [, ~& v/ e8 |  B! O是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表


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你看看, 整儿个一个跑题,谁跟谁一头的都乱了!

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三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表

看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

* {) v: Y. I4 U 正全力督办此事。

猪刀小试

靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

francais

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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2 再问是否需要点其他的，
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7 e+ x4 h& j% M6 p4 在问是否服务太差。
5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

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这些招数值得一试。
9 l8 I2 K( G' @5 G  A( V我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅，更绝，收费的时候直接把小费要出来，15％。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的，记得以前学得很多外语资料（英语和法语）都有这样介绍的。

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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( |8 S6 L$ }4 Xhahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,

猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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/ E$ n% h. W. [唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
5 g8 N; `6 Z, ?我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉，三大妈有空也来吧，咱好好给他讲讲～

酷暑严寒

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
1 Q$ E1 n$ c6 L8 N- o再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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% E; Q" v$ Y" M- u: n3 再问是否送得太慢，
5 R! ?  W6 M) V. {$ R* X3 J' i4 在问是否服务太差。
5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这个应该管用！  

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表


唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
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笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  
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咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  
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