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送外卖,不给小费正常吗?

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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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For Employer:
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& e) d+ D+ N" J/ q, n1 k' d: |You may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.
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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!
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Someone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?& P1 g/ R1 ?5 O. v( T

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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表" y  O  T* v1 e* e4 ~
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) k+ [; |# G0 r9 J- ~hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.5 Z. t: Z* D6 q" W# v- A
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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. ~3 E6 x. n* t; ]) z8 ?But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表6 S# z0 G* @5 q7 @( E! S

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% ]; u4 a. S- g1 o$ D% hI guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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6 D9 ?. D: j# s  t: zUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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' e+ Q& U8 N4 o/ {But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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5 K7 Q9 C4 d) Z; w: hYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.  y; {) V5 {" o3 p9 G7 L# T  I  w
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada! f8 U3 f7 m+ P2 f
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what's the logic there?
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: F* U. L+ Q* |when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表' b; o" q/ P2 Z; l5 }5 ]7 B, I
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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haha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.+ w2 A) N+ N8 B& v

8 S; u) u. l$ X) J- t& U- ?But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...
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+ m& \* c6 U5 W% L1 STo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!! 1 _; c/ p5 J  b
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The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
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全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~/ E- J. [: A8 z3 @

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写中文吧,各位~~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:01 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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8 @( }8 ^! v( P1 @$ |* _/ |! FTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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The exception is: so ...
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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.( m! \! y' K, v' e. F

. S9 I( [1 M7 a. ]! A" L1 P$ {8 ?the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表
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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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what's the logic there?
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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:07 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表1 [( n$ B9 W3 j; F( `. v

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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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9 e# ]5 q" `, M: w+ A. kit's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  " A0 m- \  {; o" w0 Z
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right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:18 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表
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don't use big words that you don't understand.   

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发表于 2006-11-27 13:20 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表# i% n& ~3 O& m& ?
全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~
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  ^- A0 }! K, U3 @8 V写中文吧,各位~~
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/ }. F+ H+ X$ d  y6 E3 z: d/ [ 想跟着灌,插不进嘴~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:36 | 显示全部楼层
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俺是胆小怕事的主儿,原想用英文回英文,竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的(英文)词,唉,惭愧呀!( g" o0 J5 I5 v- u. N
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没有人找到加国的税法?我是没辄,公司的LAP TOP给BLOCK了 
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
* M* ]  e( S3 X3 m% G' c; M) ~well, just for clarification purpose
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i am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.9 H' l% v" M. u' n: x
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大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做:习俗常规(custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文,比如你当众放屁谁也管不着,甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的,别人还会善意的微笑,但是你天天吃黄豆,到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股,你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈,不举那么多例子了。' e$ A; I: D' E: \% k; G$ s. T2 T+ F, |5 z

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发表于 2006-11-27 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费(少于10%, 给不给差不多)。。。难怪人家stereotype
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表
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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  : z9 {' p2 v' q) Q0 m. v
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  3 e9 o" P# r6 y* [7 p
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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; q9 I! n% R) U/ b/ }0 ~ 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
9 U* b) W( d4 f% ~' F# s如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去 2 d% e- Q. o5 L. G1 ^

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你别捣乱了,可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
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你别捣乱了,可怜可怜 ...
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i do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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( I* v# Y  g' Z/ Q3 pi was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候,政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了,所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
又搞这么多英语
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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表& G; Z- R' g. L- W
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5 n& a4 v+ s0 fi do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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  p* a2 s9 h# S! f; L 正全力督办此事。
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:20 | 显示全部楼层
靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表7 f; \/ y, M! S) a# {
靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~

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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
3 e$ Q! b) s: o7 N: Q再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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: v; N7 k) W3 {5 p6 q7 n# }9 S2 k1 问他们是否有东西缺了, 6 }0 }/ |3 H# f7 A9 r9 X
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4 在问是否服务太差。
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这些招数值得一试。
; [9 Z6 E: Y  }我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅,更绝,收费的时候直接把小费要出来,15%。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的,记得以前学得很多外语资料(英语和法语)都有这样介绍的。
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表: a: C8 J, R3 E: V2 Y0 p

  S* @, p, A( [; r4 p真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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$ }" l* j& l! qhahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表- e% t. v' N9 |& S4 |+ L; d

# k2 f7 i* K* ?/ A6 V真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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- ]' Q1 o, [5 g唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言 6 e! e6 v0 X! e0 a  m
我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:29 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
* Q% I9 i* q: d4 U2 L再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状( Q8 p6 ]7 W6 p  @

6 j7 g1 u3 j1 e- J1 问他们是否有东西缺了,
* ^& q  w% d; m/ h* S4 c( \2 再问是否需要点其他的, . L5 b, Y' n; j1 ]/ r# e& U
3 再问是否送得太慢,
& K( v/ o, L+ t+ r  p8 V1 n4 在问是否服务太差。   n0 _% [! C! f3 E7 N. F9 j1 v
5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...

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这个应该管用!  
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:35 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言 0 U% v  q! j3 J. z, V
我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  1 y$ C3 M0 f0 g$ M+ ?5 x2 e

$ F5 H/ b* F* h, h* r咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  3 k! l7 F$ T" I" A* ]+ {$ v) S) N5 K

9 c- j5 c. t$ C$ l1 W; a0 N有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.
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