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送外卖,不给小费正常吗?

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发表于 2006-11-27 12:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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, L0 C( B7 G" \& {$ m. fYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.
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6 ^  [$ e4 @% }  F9 W) Choho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!7 P. s, l6 F# F; E  x* `6 d
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Someone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表
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& ~  W: v, z1 I; u1 K& hhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.& w2 ~  e+ O2 e) H6 i; l
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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  q' t" G) x% V) h# F9 iUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.$ {/ d; c+ S, i' @3 L$ w

9 h; l" W1 p- y3 o7 K' }; }+ C  e: t" FBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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* o; N, g0 G6 u8 n9 n$ g* l8 hI guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!
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[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:54 编辑 ]
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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' u, n8 n" {# g( yBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.0 p! X$ {% Q! z& d  ~
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada% u5 B! q: F6 [# o( G4 e

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when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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( d8 b' @' [0 {, k9 K* Oplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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5 h$ W! b$ Q# Z& |% z$ yhaha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表, \% u# z( ~: r2 R) ]; T
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.6 `# k& a$ F) {
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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7 R, s# D& ?# r3 E! x5 K& X9 L- W* Z# l3 _The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
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全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:01 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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, G1 x) q" o6 j) }To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!! 0 e7 D  O& I) w; H- g1 K
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The exception is: so ...
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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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9 P- J( K7 [/ \3 m: ]' [$ ?the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  6 z7 R  E& @2 I4 `9 @# c
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.: u0 Q$ @5 e& B7 p: F

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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表- o; R- H* Y2 @$ ^; L2 o7 E1 D+ `
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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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what's the logic there?
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5 G: z& ~/ i+ R, D) pI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:07 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表/ r7 K7 K) |; Q! ^

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it's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  
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right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:18 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表
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% _5 k& P/ J6 b; s5 Rdon't use big words that you don't understand.   
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原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表" i# S7 V5 y, W$ B# X. y
全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~/ k2 t$ x$ u  }# h8 _
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刚看了好几篇paper,头都大了。- Z. b$ P' _4 c1 o) |/ h) w

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发表于 2006-11-27 13:36 | 显示全部楼层
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俺是胆小怕事的主儿,原想用英文回英文,竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的(英文)词,唉,惭愧呀!4 I0 W+ y4 @* n" _, e, F
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没有人找到加国的税法?我是没辄,公司的LAP TOP给BLOCK了 
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
! W/ K+ y1 I5 @well, just for clarification purpose! C* n3 o2 D/ X6 D3 w* w, ]" @! K

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大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做:习俗常规(custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文,比如你当众放屁谁也管不着,甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的,别人还会善意的微笑,但是你天天吃黄豆,到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股,你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈,不举那么多例子了。  W& Z" O/ ?: m6 c/ ?) `7 ?

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发表于 2006-11-27 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费(少于10%, 给不给差不多)。。。难怪人家stereotype
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表- W4 J, y' S  V' Q- u& i# J

9 I) a( ?5 w' Z9 |  z- Khaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.3 n. `/ W" W, F# S

; u- g0 t1 b( @- F/ t1 K) ~! ~$ [the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  8 W" G) d$ {% s4 I5 K
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  ! r; C" M# l7 L) E. C
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。2 ~3 L' h, o- S( o# n5 O7 \' k
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去   {+ s+ H- b! k  T. L. m

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你别捣乱了,可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表6 _' H: H' O8 n; ]
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
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2 [6 f/ Q$ y$ ?. \  z/ _3 A4 K你别捣乱了,可怜可怜 ...

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" O5 W( K& Q2 g( y( Mi do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.3 j$ u- q( f9 d
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候,政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了,所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...
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hoho, how funny
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
又搞这么多英语
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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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8 F) H$ N% u1 x* U$ A1 ii do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented &q ...

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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

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正全力督办此事。
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:20 | 显示全部楼层
靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
! b: B, h7 c( Y+ u" M* t靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
# A7 |, i& O) L) g6 G- ?: O再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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  X/ ?$ G4 i: w1 问他们是否有东西缺了,
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0 X" u/ Z4 x  ?9 u! `$ B3 再问是否送得太慢,
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$ {$ _/ b: F& J! t/ B3 K, ]这些招数值得一试。
3 t& o! n0 g/ ?1 _6 k4 b6 q我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅,更绝,收费的时候直接把小费要出来,15%。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的,记得以前学得很多外语资料(英语和法语)都有这样介绍的。
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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3 G2 Q5 x: ^9 H& s& [) Z9 D, _真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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hahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:28 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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8 {$ b4 Z2 p: ]8 h唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言 1 ~6 Y9 r" X4 r  B1 A% y+ M  m# m
我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:29 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表) V' c6 K" E6 H$ t7 ^
再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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1 问他们是否有东西缺了,
0 N: r4 ?& b! d) X+ H2 再问是否需要点其他的, 3 V( r# {/ g: s) l) P
3 再问是否送得太慢,
: u- I3 v" N: e% L: z4 在问是否服务太差。 ( `; \3 i1 z1 o; S" K. s) x8 H$ {) y6 \
5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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这个应该管用!  
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
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8 m0 ^7 q2 x9 t# L. A笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  ! ]% J' q$ v% l) O
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咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  * E1 p, `, m- |. K2 o$ a
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有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.
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