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合同工和正式工,如果最后收入相等,工资比例应该是多少?

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鲜花(345) 鸡蛋(0)
 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:19 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
- e4 A' \: r  [, I0 E嗯,很多牛人。的确是。3 l/ y( Y, @  C1 s. @) E
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当然,也有混的啦

; g- ]* i7 U1 `" J我看到的合同工还都有些本事,大小之分,混子还没看到过。
鲜花(345) 鸡蛋(0)
 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31 0 G+ @$ G! e* I7 R9 U
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

, C$ x$ g* F; @$ W) W8 H# N那么你是没有试用期吗?
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:51 | 显示全部楼层
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance1 J; x9 Q# J" J7 y
card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
4 p- W( D# P; [  f, o( [I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
* b" S/ p$ {% X& z- w9 d  ?me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:58 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32 9 f7 p; S1 K6 p# R& a; ?
还有心态,运气。而往往心态会影响运气。
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你这里说的能力,不光是技能方面的能力,更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

- [* L. W9 Q. Y. V4 k; ]$ oIn canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.
大型搬家
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:33 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
& \) [9 K! V+ K  t, mNow I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...
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其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:43 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
* G4 c  P+ L$ v, l其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

) J& s. q7 U7 S, Nno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,. u* \( Z1 }) |4 i+ Q
I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.3 M/ Y2 |7 N# }/ e9 J) H
Tomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
, t# }: C5 ]& F$ ?2 C& @" O$ Xask insurance company pay, no me!
; I, K/ l& H' bWhy not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:13 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
自己做,啥都没有的路过!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:19 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43 9 D- z4 l* c2 T1 r% a
no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,- ~8 g. Z' n  @" [, X, R. D
I like vwry much, it i ...

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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.5 [% n6 A0 M' o4 Y

+ c9 Z2 Y! G5 ?6 P8 ?. E而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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( l# E7 Q: a# ^" D5 I( c象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.
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鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:48 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 $ y0 u) o1 N1 A; w
你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

$ e6 ?8 Q0 A( G& oclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth$ [6 s; b6 i# x5 e
every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened4 I3 ?$ X, {; J' z" M; H
accident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
" S/ z# N0 h1 T% |2 K: |  `% PIn the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
6 r% ~7 X% X! _2 ~) ?+ z0 D+ f- L/ uhow long, I don't know.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:14 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 . P$ V' U9 F6 f0 W
你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:32 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
& z& B) B3 Y( S  e! ]" K四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

3 q2 r( q  t4 {9 b姐姐的这种情况,不适合做CONTRACTOR,真的!
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 21:15 | 显示全部楼层
my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
9 V7 w3 f6 E, T7 {: \' ]2 O8 Jarea, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer6 E; }6 O* j/ C7 S
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then," L" z3 l" b. B6 m* U3 a
come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
! ]6 N$ @3 t9 Y10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.5 R9 O+ |" j" |  S( ^+ X
Now, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)0 u  K& a# y" U% U
Thanks! lovely small girl!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 23:31 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14 + _2 a3 L0 T; p
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...
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我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.
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洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.
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: K$ |: E# q& ]( L0 w9 b9 U, F象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 13:48 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
. P: v" a: p7 e" _# k! |' l" xI cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose9 f3 g/ s7 ~# u$ p
the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
- ]% I( }6 a- p! [! LTomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:39 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 量子风水 于 2013-3-16 14:57 编辑
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合同工与非合同工,是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高,又不等钱用,合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一,已经到退休年龄,他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了,偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公,用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
. f8 D& P8 `" E5 o. u- U我在卡城的同事,也是喜欢做contractor,他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’,工资都不低于10万一年。/ [' y8 U/ o+ f
这与他的职业性质有关,他是做C#之类高级程序研发,这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他,我的专业面窄,是不宜做contractor,只能先后senior engineer/lead努力,以后再图其他。
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:50 | 显示全部楼层
同时与marie一样,在专业领域有相似成功,也曾经长期单身的女性,但即有不同的处世方式,并且应用得成功,而且福泽下一代,这种类型的女性,还是值得佩服与学习。
5 z8 {3 J' `+ V: H2 ?印象深的一次,是她家邻居有个冷气机,夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家,而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然,邻居并非有意,这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功,邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉,噪音就很小,而夏天热天也没有几天,所以不伤和气。
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当生活中没有那么多纷争时,人生病的机会就少。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:56 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
本帖最后由 JoyceAccSG 于 2013-3-16 22:02 编辑
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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 ) m; V) Z8 h$ t, O& W
你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

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6 J" M) D4 X, n- o9 Z9 L2 v* QThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,9 V% x) G1 V- X- l
because of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please
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Dental Benefits Summary:0 h1 z8 I7 ?/ A1 r) A* b0 W  p
Benefit Type         Payable At
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Routine               
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        Endodontics                 100%; k- R/ t& y8 Y! _" k2 j
        Periodontics                 100%
: A: I7 T4 g1 n, [; B% H        Preventative                 100%$ p" m, D/ C" S, T
       
7 V4 @& f1 a" U        Global Medical Assistance         Covered
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发表于 2013-3-16 15:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56 9 |. z  |! g5 `
These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,9 S- H2 E) i) q# ~
because  ...

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# _* |; o+ f1 _' v还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.* C8 U; B5 A- O* g# z

. M* C$ a6 Y0 I/ `) P- m3 n好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:10 | 显示全部楼层
中国人口是13亿,而加拿大是3千万,这种差异,使得在加拿大,有几十人的公司,就是中型公司了;有几个工程师的团队,就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上,不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。* I: |. F8 z+ N5 c1 Z, ?
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所以,在这里,如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候,可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目;如果再联系另一家,就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径,这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
7 H2 A9 m- W$ k! X% b成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件,不但有两个或以上的程序员,而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员,从而可能产生能量聚合,这就当然向这个方向努力。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
. Y0 j2 a! P: ^4 X" S谢谢你啊.
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; |/ M7 J5 K4 q% z还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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I will, thanks!/ S! R3 Y5 m. u* r% ?
I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never: o0 }# r& z- T7 v' i: ~4 P
management.
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