合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
嗯，很多牛人。的确是。

当然，也有混的啦

我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
; h6 k( z6 ?0 f" `I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
8 @& Q$ F7 [' pme these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。
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你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

  g, |' Z  g7 T7 y( H( L3 `! UIn canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
5 D9 x9 ^/ X/ u* p# ~3 D/ M* f5 M$ TNow I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

  n$ g# O: `+ Z& J* @其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
+ b2 H( j1 |: d& c其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
Tomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
9 W3 l) [4 F- J) q- l8 jask insurance company pay, no me!
- a" ?+ C2 [7 P# L8 TWhy not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

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自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
6 h4 i! Y. ^: T; y8 l  e2 ~6 Z( C  eno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it i ...

你还是没有理解我的话.

Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
5 [# o: \7 m. b7 W你还是没有理解我的话.

6 W6 ?# j1 M" S3 L! K, ?Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

5 R' A# |/ g8 k7 J; j8 \classes, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
" S- t$ t( X0 w8 p- o6 `every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
accident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
9 Q' b" f/ \- [: s" u( o: {& n/ Ahow long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
( [8 L, S# R5 @你还是没有理解我的话.

# w1 }9 Y1 C8 ^+ OContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

! f1 A2 N4 @+ S+ h: ~四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
area, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
0 N4 y& I2 e0 f( U8 I/ |( Ga single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
; a! a8 ?2 J! Z( A; ?2 Gcome in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
- j" |) Y; k" \3 v. x10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
Now, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
Thanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
, f: r3 J2 C3 Q: E四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.
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8 s" I4 J" ?2 A2 }9 z洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.
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象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
I cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
& L' }) h/ W" k$ X1 Z9 H/ _the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
4 b* C! Z. J: {Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

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# |) R& s& i3 T/ P$ z; _2 w合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
$ {9 x" U7 |* T: z我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

量子风水

同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
4 O8 C7 b  I4 S0 ?印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
4 a" v; i! L% n3 Q当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
  W! @1 _) W5 e; H2 Z你还是没有理解我的话.

8 ^& R0 h" V, m8 e: _, LContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

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1 u' L3 W. L/ B" |& F$ ?. p# ]6 XThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
because of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please
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" Y) l6 T6 {* T% UDental Benefits Summary:
) \" _+ ]1 i2 ?8 E5 ^Benefit Type         Payable At
       
+ }& O0 [: x3 t1 j6 A9 W& l% B8 cRoutine               
  i) E9 m9 s1 U; V        Basic                 100%
8 c* z  U, E' `2 @4 ?) ?# G        Endodontics                 100%
/ d/ F- C$ o  D. S) a% l# U! y        Periodontics                 100%
% i+ R9 m# L/ P  Z        Preventative                 100%
       
        Global Medical Assistance         Covered

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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
) ^$ a! O% {! ~+ |; |; UThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
because  ...

谢谢你啊.
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1 ]9 H! P) k/ b; w+ b9 e还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

! k' s! }) M* m: O好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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4 T+ A: Z& L( A7 g至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

量子风水

中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。

) l0 r+ n- N7 L; c所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
! s) C8 V* N5 L' n) h) ~3 b成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
谢谢你啊.

( ~& f4 [4 h. D! t/ o& ^! f还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

, N- d6 x5 `! B4 W/ m; WI will, thanks!
I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
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