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合同工和正式工,如果最后收入相等,工资比例应该是多少?

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鲜花(345) 鸡蛋(0)
 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:19 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
# C0 @" _8 n) _9 t4 [+ l' O嗯,很多牛人。的确是。
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当然,也有混的啦
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我看到的合同工还都有些本事,大小之分,混子还没看到过。
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31 5 ~& H7 q: x, f4 K
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

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鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:51 | 显示全部楼层
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
$ |- c9 d; g/ e6 h% R* O- Ccard, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,3 o; G9 J- ~" q8 H9 r: S
I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
5 e6 Y2 n+ @( C9 M! F3 Kme these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:58 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32 ! g2 [& O2 ~! o4 x4 [3 V
还有心态,运气。而往往心态会影响运气。
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你这里说的能力,不光是技能方面的能力,更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

( c3 c* y# }# k- \In canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:33 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51 : ^" w" N7 I+ v7 T- c/ m  X
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...
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其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:43 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33 ! Z% }2 c  \" n$ S+ D
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.
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no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,+ Z9 A% \6 d/ u% t8 V% c
I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
, ^! {- a/ z3 R& A9 Z3 ^Tomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,; D: ^; ]1 F. M9 I# ]; u" w
ask insurance company pay, no me! $ w" l- o% C& A/ s7 }; X  L
Why not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:13 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
自己做,啥都没有的路过!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:19 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
; Y* |$ @; G( E# s+ yno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
- M0 P# ]# R6 Z6 M  aI like vwry much, it i ...
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你还是没有理解我的话.3 ]; e2 y: `+ L4 q* `: m
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:48 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
+ T5 [2 D' W! E% v0 c& q你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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classes, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth, @# W" o5 _, h9 g/ X3 \
every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened* Q7 ?* L% P0 X5 m1 ~
accident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.; J9 l: d4 d( K+ F* K1 @
In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.: a6 ~5 l# z7 x( j( S6 `( }
how long, I don't know.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:14 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 / B2 G( q% s& I& t9 y: R
你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

: k% ?) l* N: E! D6 |四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.
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鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:32 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
9 Y6 L  e: c$ w$ k7 F9 S四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

7 H3 F1 @3 ^+ b% H% G( ]8 D9 q# Z姐姐的这种情况,不适合做CONTRACTOR,真的!
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 21:15 | 显示全部楼层
my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace4 d( ~7 t. i' `, {) S. ~
area, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer* {/ E  o/ S* l+ u. w1 i* b
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
2 V. M- }& r( z8 fcome in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
. g+ A2 a, j! j% H10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.7 x( ]( q% l( V! w4 A$ G" E
Now, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
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鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 23:31 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
$ q: N: h, q" O, U1 e4 w四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

; f" J# i3 S& x- G4 r我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.; c0 M1 K# T  t
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洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.. {/ j& u1 J, X

# f5 M" W5 J2 i. d5 M! x& L: H象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.
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鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 13:48 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
9 K& \2 n2 A9 kI cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose! l: i9 W: B8 G* V6 P4 N
the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
& n) B+ W. O) qTomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:39 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 量子风水 于 2013-3-16 14:57 编辑
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合同工与非合同工,是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高,又不等钱用,合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一,已经到退休年龄,他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了,偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公,用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
" J5 s5 T; n+ l  a- I+ m- U2 o7 x6 b我在卡城的同事,也是喜欢做contractor,他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’,工资都不低于10万一年。' ?* |/ b7 M8 z+ r7 E! H
这与他的职业性质有关,他是做C#之类高级程序研发,这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他,我的专业面窄,是不宜做contractor,只能先后senior engineer/lead努力,以后再图其他。
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鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:50 | 显示全部楼层
同时与marie一样,在专业领域有相似成功,也曾经长期单身的女性,但即有不同的处世方式,并且应用得成功,而且福泽下一代,这种类型的女性,还是值得佩服与学习。
) R8 A2 W8 s/ y2 _0 k9 A& H9 Y9 q印象深的一次,是她家邻居有个冷气机,夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家,而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然,邻居并非有意,这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功,邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉,噪音就很小,而夏天热天也没有几天,所以不伤和气。% U; ]# t* \/ Z1 h
世界不是你一个人的,即使是毛公这样的政治家,有杀子之仇恨的美国,都要建交,所以适当使用妥协,也是一种很好的途径。- _; B9 Q! z1 Y! n# |9 D
当生活中没有那么多纷争时,人生病的机会就少。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:56 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 4 N* x- `* [1 g; A& R8 W7 ~
你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

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% J7 Z0 y2 Z" S* }% A" y& j5 VThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,, f5 C9 f0 K; h9 o1 E* m% p
because of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please( K( f6 ^/ ~$ R# R! l& }1 B

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Benefit Type         Payable At' }6 {: J0 P6 S8 e
       
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        Endodontics                 100%
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        Preventative                 100%
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/ o- N3 r6 K) o- i% N! O        Global Medical Assistance         Covered
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鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-16 15:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
" l* T) {  D0 T% k- d2 f& `9 cThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,% j$ p; R) C( V3 M# W1 [2 B
because  ...

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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.0 o2 y3 x# L) @. f# m; C* C- d' z

% Z/ I5 r: R6 x! y8 j$ Z好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.) b. t, v5 N1 C: a
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至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:10 | 显示全部楼层
中国人口是13亿,而加拿大是3千万,这种差异,使得在加拿大,有几十人的公司,就是中型公司了;有几个工程师的团队,就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上,不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。/ O/ }5 q9 v" E, ], A( e/ J' ~: N
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所以,在这里,如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候,可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目;如果再联系另一家,就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径,这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。+ E) J2 |' ]5 y
成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件,不但有两个或以上的程序员,而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员,从而可能产生能量聚合,这就当然向这个方向努力。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
; d9 j. U4 \7 w3 S2 D' L8 j谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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I will, thanks!
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management.
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