关于鸭子湖: Duck Lake or Goose Lake

arbo · 发表于 2012-2-27 10:29

那天路过鸭子湖，我说我们中国人叫 Hawrelak Park为鸭子湖。朋友问为什么。我开玩笑说，我们中国人不会发那个名字的音。
朋友说，你也发不好 Duck Lake 的音。
我想了想，是的。下次改叫 Goose Lake。

伊人 · 发表于 2012-2-27 14:42

suvescape · 发表于 2012-2-28 12:57

Goose 中的oo,就一定能发好么?

arbo · 发表于 2012-2-29 14:03

I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
I am working on it now, any suggestions?

billzhao · 发表于 2012-2-29 17:11

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 14:03
% W* M8 ?) j0 L. d, y0 ^I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
7 e+ y" y1 \2 f9 ~/ C% [I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

which sound?
d or u

arbo · 发表于 2012-2-29 17:35

Come on, I am not an Indian.

billzhao · 发表于 2012-2-29 18:07

hehe, right, Indians cannot say d

jsw · 发表于 2012-3-15 00:57

我的理解是：
再复杂的读音，你把他标好后，先一个音节一个音节的分开读，然后连起来读。
等到你觉得整个单词读得正确了，就重复读个100遍。这样应该能解决了。
如果一次不行，你就每天找个时间练。可以把那个音标贴在门上或放在你电脑前... 就像卖油翁那样。。。

Crisis · 发表于 2012-3-15 07:38

本帖最后由 Crisis 于 2012-3-15 08:39 编辑

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
/ K, `. |9 W( V4 sI have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
# D2 E+ g* X' O1 }I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出现的元音－－－所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！

如何发？有两种方法供参考，如下：

１、在面部肌肉放松，口腔肌肉包括舌头也放松的情况下，要么用手使劲捏自己勃子的喉结处（女性请参考男性的相关位置），直到自己实在忍受不住了，而发出声音，要么，用自己的拳头对准胸部使劲捶打一下，很意外地发出来的声音，就象了。

２、或者，可以参考当地人发CANADA时的尾音－－－原音a，将其应用到所有单词中的同样发音中

3. 最后，谁给suvescape扔鸡蛋了？人家一片好心，却被误解。赶紧送鲜花补上吧。suvescape是对的，oo的音其实更难发，很多人尤其是同胞以为发对了，其实与正确的发音还相差甚远－－－正如咱以前那样。

arbo · 发表于 2012-3-15 09:07

I think they might be different. Duck is a stressed vowel.
Canada 的尾音－－－原音a is schwa.
Can you explain?

arbo · 发表于 2012-3-15 09:13

I checked it again. You are right: it is also a schwa.

arbo · 发表于 2012-3-15 09:16

One useful link: http://www.pronuncian.com/Lessons/Default.aspx?Lesson=98

jsw · 发表于 2012-3-15 18:33

Crisis 发表于 2012-3-15 08:38 # z5 h* j6 k( o; f% S9 Y; g% i
如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出 ...

<所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！>

Crisis: 这几个元音字母非重读的音是/ə/吧。
　　　当然，赖哥似乎是把它和/ʌ/等同的。我个人有点怀疑。
　　　
　　　我个人觉得duck还是应该读成/dʌk/,而不是/dək/，就像bus应该读成/bʌs/而不是/bəs/......
当然，很多人分别读成/dak/,/bas/，这样就失去了应有的“声音往下压，短促”的韵味了，给人一种“拖沓”的声音感觉。(中文双引号中内容只是我个人的发音体会的描述。)

jsw · 发表于 2012-3-15 18:36

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03 7 ^/ n" e) p1 b% ]; h/ i
I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
! i+ C5 p3 c% Q$ v1 v) i+ U9 ZI am working on it now, any suggestio ...

能把oo发对很不容易呀。
我以前就分不清full和fool，像云吞有个帖子里说得那样。

duck的u发不准，是不是和Arbo的方言背景有关？不是你老家在那个区域......

arbo · 发表于 2012-3-16 08:54

To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.
I think my local dialect doesn't interfere with my English. The problem is the British accent.

月如钩 · 发表于 2012-3-16 13:30

Hawrelak的音标是什么？

jsw · 发表于 2012-3-16 19:18

arbo 发表于 2012-3-16 09:54 * e+ k! E) @& e' V
To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.
6 @% ~4 A2 p% w& pI think my local dialect doesn't ...

Cool.
Further, those who can speak more than one dialect are better able to produce sounds in a foreign language. I learned that from a linguistics book written by 桂灿昆.

月如钩 · 发表于 2012-3-19 16:04

http://www.box.com/s/838e14f49f4d1c390324
这个发音对吗？

arbo · 发表于 2012-3-19 16:13

I don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /ə/.

月如钩 · 发表于 2012-3-19 18:26

arbo 发表于 2012-3-19 17:13
6 c% `3 `' d4 i; p( `3 \5 WI don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /ə/.

Thanks! Just google it and got such one as follows,
I believe it's HAV-ri-lak. The name is Ukranian. It is often transliterated into English with a "v," not a "w." (William Hawrelak was mayor of Edmonton in the 1950s, 60s and early 70s.)
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2093383

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