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合同工和正式工,如果最后收入相等,工资比例应该是多少?

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:19 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
+ P% N; t* F/ v; Q& I+ b, b嗯,很多牛人。的确是。; y& w  O$ z5 j6 z7 D
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当然,也有混的啦

$ }% Z+ F6 [$ @4 g3 ~我看到的合同工还都有些本事,大小之分,混子还没看到过。
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31 & l- B9 l& g6 t' S1 J9 E! f- [2 a% e
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...
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那么你是没有试用期吗?
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:51 | 显示全部楼层
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance% `8 {" v% l! f% y1 n" C6 s% @; Y$ Y
card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,5 p3 {3 l# z4 Y6 e2 m
I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave* o0 F% e' d3 Q9 @) Y( g
me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ
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鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:58 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
4 P/ k5 a1 w* E2 _6 T还有心态,运气。而往往心态会影响运气。
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你这里说的能力,不光是技能方面的能力,更重要的是EQ的能力 ...
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In canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:33 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
8 z6 S- H$ [8 z5 @% g3 S! `( \3 MNow I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...
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其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:43 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33 8 t$ o  o9 V0 b3 t4 f$ I0 {
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

. [; J! c, r- m& t) v+ C" C, `no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
' y6 _. {0 C6 m7 t  k  XI like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
' j9 j: T: }" q3 {- ]Tomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
9 Z3 d% V- E7 eask insurance company pay, no me! ! r5 e' U+ N  O" P, ?& h' ^
Why not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:13 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
自己做,啥都没有的路过!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:19 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
2 m9 ?- Q  O$ V8 Y  R: O( R4 \no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,2 R! h  h- p9 [9 Z% e; q  K4 S/ T# Q
I like vwry much, it i ...

, M, {2 U8 {) U" G! D你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.( Z' F. c2 E; h% ~& t; t6 C
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而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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$ T! `- X/ a+ G: e$ ^) y, P象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:48 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 # p& y: _3 i! q( i6 H
你还是没有理解我的话.$ t  q" L3 n: L
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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classes, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
0 x; y4 v! O! Z$ Jevery 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened% B- c4 O* b" r( {7 @: s4 ^
accident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
3 t8 O2 q% d; YIn the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
* e1 ~2 z( Y" s$ J/ O/ K6 dhow long, I don't know.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:14 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

- l+ @7 O! u& d. n* M* p2 s# {( v四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:32 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
5 D  q% j# b4 e  Z四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

6 ?7 J. q5 @4 Q# D  X+ f! T姐姐的这种情况,不适合做CONTRACTOR,真的!
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 21:15 | 显示全部楼层
my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace- y+ z2 {* ^5 O7 A1 ]
area, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer% ?4 J( M+ t; G. V# d" Z; x
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
' L4 Z5 D. }- n- K) ycome in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
! y% ~# y/ T* z# G3 ]6 L: l10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
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Thanks! lovely small girl!
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发表于 2013-3-15 23:31 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14 2 \8 o/ r4 k- y6 {
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

8 E3 T' g) B0 ^9 c我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.' V6 |# B- s; n, \' @0 x+ \7 J* S

* w3 j# k0 j! j& [% Q4 ~, ?( r3 }洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.8 u% K/ j) D) \3 y; e7 S( E: e
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象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.
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发表于 2013-3-16 13:48 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
, y; J9 j: A* ]9 v- w; O" k9 e% sI cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
( i6 C& L1 V1 Zthe good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving0 ?4 `+ ?! B1 Q4 }6 M( i# b2 l
Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:39 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 量子风水 于 2013-3-16 14:57 编辑
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: `! s% _: r5 X. ]" G合同工与非合同工,是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高,又不等钱用,合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一,已经到退休年龄,他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了,偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公,用网络通过安全卡来做测试。* w& W& a" N8 j. H6 Z4 W; I. n
我在卡城的同事,也是喜欢做contractor,他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’,工资都不低于10万一年。- c. j1 R% v  l7 y7 S
这与他的职业性质有关,他是做C#之类高级程序研发,这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他,我的专业面窄,是不宜做contractor,只能先后senior engineer/lead努力,以后再图其他。
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:50 | 显示全部楼层
同时与marie一样,在专业领域有相似成功,也曾经长期单身的女性,但即有不同的处世方式,并且应用得成功,而且福泽下一代,这种类型的女性,还是值得佩服与学习。6 f, O0 }7 m2 a/ i6 J9 a
印象深的一次,是她家邻居有个冷气机,夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家,而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然,邻居并非有意,这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功,邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉,噪音就很小,而夏天热天也没有几天,所以不伤和气。$ _7 t- j4 b% p0 U. Y& B* {) _0 s
世界不是你一个人的,即使是毛公这样的政治家,有杀子之仇恨的美国,都要建交,所以适当使用妥协,也是一种很好的途径。
" z+ q9 T+ q7 q$ ~% U$ t5 F当生活中没有那么多纷争时,人生病的机会就少。
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发表于 2013-3-16 14:56 | 显示全部楼层
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本帖最后由 JoyceAccSG 于 2013-3-16 22:02 编辑 2 t, A+ T; J! [/ _$ C
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 & Y* B. B5 @' _- N. t/ N5 U
你还是没有理解我的话.4 g6 m, b9 U9 {. R

: \9 k2 f8 }3 t; A* ~$ iContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
3 w% \- ?+ u4 g: R0 {because of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please: D' t$ `; p9 D) ~

8 S: }$ |  O  R- m% {Dental Benefits Summary:
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7 N* ?9 Y8 y0 Z! e1 xRoutine               
3 Y! Q. ]/ T/ b: y: W  U/ P  T        Basic                 100%9 u1 O" @  d" D1 M9 |
        Endodontics                 100%; T: a& h8 [0 {4 Y% u* ^* J# `
        Periodontics                 100%* H4 j8 P* G% e/ q& ^4 t( u/ {
        Preventative                 100%
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) I0 _7 \. U9 i4 K9 Y/ R% G' R        Global Medical Assistance         Covered
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鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-16 15:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56 . }0 y6 G0 T* K$ ~5 r
These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
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谢谢你啊.
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. T$ S8 u8 V, M6 x还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.) {4 L0 h- R- h# V

1 j( P' V' x5 J5 x% z好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊." A- N+ A% J2 Q& j
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至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:10 | 显示全部楼层
中国人口是13亿,而加拿大是3千万,这种差异,使得在加拿大,有几十人的公司,就是中型公司了;有几个工程师的团队,就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上,不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。; `: V4 X4 [3 Z' t# M

4 b$ m6 n5 S' r6 ^0 E所以,在这里,如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候,可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目;如果再联系另一家,就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径,这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。( }0 E7 y6 c% \5 W" G
成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件,不但有两个或以上的程序员,而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员,从而可能产生能量聚合,这就当然向这个方向努力。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20 % w0 ^" w3 M& M7 j* N3 b
谢谢你啊.& o3 z9 {9 ^: u6 I1 o* v# V

4 c$ Q8 r0 S4 c  {4 z还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never: T( X6 A* w2 B+ `8 i; z  e
management.
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