I would like to see more Debate, not Fight. Debate for fun, fight to get a headache3 h0 P( b" o3 f9 x
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Calm down everyone please. ! o8 B7 [6 U0 P3 k3 n* H) ` 4 E) A! a6 I% m& x' N不存在 can mean two different things:! Q" X1 v4 Q5 |3 ^2 B9 q
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1: 不存在 (not yet). Such as a house before construction etc.2 H# l/ w/ P' K
2: 不存在 (never exist) such as 上帝都不能举起的石头/ L: ?! S" ~3 P: H
3 C4 p+ G5 J: J7 m, l% B- RI assumed that dora's 不存在 meant never exist& x2 y) o6 I4 m- k2 a0 {: h& v
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原帖由 eastroster 于 2006-6-8 03:13 发表 + S1 i" Z, k& t2 w( PI would like to see more Debate, not Fight. Debate for fun, fight to get a headache- n0 a! F+ A+ v) |- |0 A, u
u- Z( N8 D* PCalm down everyone please. / W# N/ l, e4 R; b3 X, U1 h 0 e! V! q% b; G T不存在 can mean two different things: 3 P9 _4 q" o2 z; h- p# y# d ( |& p' ?8 r& ]% d$ \% @1: 不存在 (not yet). Such as a house before construction etc. $ T& d7 c! i! i' N: V2: 不存在 (never exist) such as 上帝都不能举起的石头3 H2 V2 ^) `2 ^5 D
! C- _ F) O! `6 mI assumed that dora's 不存在 meant never exist ...
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小铜子,, 你的1和2根本不是对立关系.. 1并不能否定2. 1只能refer to current state, 2 refer to past state,过去没有,, 现在没有,, 将来就一定没有吗/?/? 上帝的无所不能不应该体现在能创造将来吗/? 她根本不能自圆其说.
0 I' [* F( V: `3 J1 e6 o* k( z; E( `' Z8 z! a/ @ q6 @3 E; ]& s Did your GOD ask you to curse people this way?4 ]% _6 r7 ^2 o, [
If you really have a 宗教信仰, I believe your GOD will shame on you!
原帖由 balubalu 于 2006-6-8 09:01 发表! p0 n/ f5 r. h# F- |( V8 O% T
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% h1 v9 i. h1 ?" h: w 2 refer to past state,过去没有,, 现在没有,, 将来就一定没有吗/?/? 上帝的无所不能不应该体现在能创造将来吗/? 她根本不 ...
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! x" f! u; X$ R2:" never exist" refers to 过去没有,, 现在没有,, 将来一定没有!!!7 N: @9 y; {- p$ T! b7 G
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At least dora meant that I am pretty sure. 7 F6 j7 l$ h- w g: B2 G. w, z# x) p' u! `& c8 A3 [/ E. x) a4 T
[ 本帖最后由 eastroster 于 2006-6-8 10:57 编辑 ]
原帖由 eastroster 于 2006-6-8 10:55 发表 7 b1 V$ ?8 G- c; W9 A+ Q: b ]# Q6 @4 j' p8 ~5 m n4 V
0 k) j/ X; q, D4 r$ C2:" never exist" refers to 过去没有,, 现在没有,, 将来一定没有!!! ) T/ S9 ]5 J x& Y1 S) T+ G* k4 V& {) N. \
At least dora meant that I am pretty sure.
. j+ z G' Y9 i7 W. E, Q V, A 7 y- g5 _) e. m, c9 g- l2 o& ]那按她的道理,, 首先这点就错了.. 人出现之前没有,, 在上帝造人时也没有,, 造完就有了;; 过去没飞机,, 现在有了,, 你不觉得这个assumption是强词夺理吗.. 假设如果你现在5岁,, 你过去没长毛,, 现在还是没毛,, 你说你将来 肯定不长毛/?/?
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Arguments on religious believes always turn out to become very emotional (if not violent). It has been like that for hundreds of years (if not thousands of years); R2 B- e+ {; N# [' B, u
! Q5 n+ ]7 w. i/ QMaybe we should stop argument. 3 V9 ]. [) C. [3 I$ F2 C4 N. ?8 n4 F% z6 i8 l& K" V+ s
My commoent " Dora's 逻辑 is correct " was with the view point of logistics instead of religion ! K; |7 M* Q G2 t5 h, s" R, v" M: N1 x8 n# q: t
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