关于鸭子湖: Duck Lake or Goose Lake

arbo

那天路过鸭子湖，我说我们中国人叫 Hawrelak Park为鸭子湖。朋友问为什么。我开玩笑说，我们中国人不会发那个名字的音。
朋友说，你也发不好 Duck Lake 的音。
5 d1 o1 Z  p9 y/ W+ J5 H我想了想，是的。下次改叫 Goose Lake。

伊人

好

suvescape

Goose 中的oo,就一定能发好么?

arbo

I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
! i: m0 w. w* ^9 [# ^- vI am working on it now, any suggestions?

billzhao

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 14:03
7 M2 O" s9 D, V) g) {: j% a8 p+ ^I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
) W  V0 a8 A& x+ L! nI am working on it now, any suggestio ...

" H% p) L, B1 N0 j: B# Lwhich sound?
1 V% v) C0 H. I- `+ n% g' h* h# ud or u

arbo

Come on, I am not an Indian.

billzhao

hehe, right, Indians cannot say d

jsw

我的理解是：
4 h5 a, z! v; _+ }再复杂的读音，你把他标好后，先一个音节一个音节的分开读，然后连起来读。
等到你觉得整个单词读得正确了，就重复读个100遍。这样应该能解决了。
如果一次不行，你就每天找个时间练。可以把那个音标贴在门上或放在你电脑前... 就像卖油翁那样。。。

Crisis

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arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
1 [2 J& S4 @; C5 W4 }/ j- OI have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
/ r/ Y9 g- e; u5 Q1 g; W7 YI am working on it now, any suggestio ...

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" A, M% |3 h) b' G  s7 ?# H如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出现的元音－－－所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！

如何发？有两种方法供参考，如下：
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１、在面部肌肉放松，口腔肌肉包括舌头也放松的情况下，要么用手使劲捏自己勃子的喉结处（女性请参考男性的相关位置），直到自己实在忍受不住了，而发出声音，要么，用自己的拳头对准胸部使劲捶打一下，很意外地发出来的声音，就象了。
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( U7 `+ Q. L8 H２、或者，可以参考当地人发CANADA时的尾音－－－原音a，将其应用到所有单词中的同样发音中
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+ P$ K& J. W, p1 C3. 最后，谁给suvescape扔鸡蛋了？人家一片好心，却被误解。赶紧送鲜花补上吧。suvescape是对的，oo的音其实更难发，很多人尤其是同胞以为发对了，其实与正确的发音还相差甚远－－－正如咱以前那样。

arbo

I think they might be different. Duck is a stressed vowel.
$ s/ L: F2 c) y- e3 u+ PCanada 的尾音－－－原音a is schwa.
: i$ x1 N! n* ~7 u* ^6 RCan you explain?

arbo

I checked it again. You are right: it is also a schwa.

arbo

One useful link: http://www.pronuncian.com/Lessons/Default.aspx?Lesson=98

jsw

Crisis 发表于 2012-3-15 08:38
如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出 ...

( V& u! Z( b4 a; A4 D4 z9 E' @* g<所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！>

/ [  ~  H1 ~0 n) d+ ?$ OCrisis: 这几个元音字母非重读的音是/&#601;/吧。
: H. [0 }. ]0 p6 t( t! A% {- ^　　　当然，赖哥似乎是把它和/&#652;/等同的。我个人有点怀疑。
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　　　我个人觉得duck还是应该读成/d&#652;k/,而不是/d&#601;k/，就像bus应该读成/b&#652;s/而不是/b&#601;s/......
         当然，很多人分别读成/dak/,/bas/，这样就失去了应有的“声音往下压，短促”的韵味了，给人一种“拖沓”的声音感觉。(中文双引号中内容只是我个人的发音体会的描述。)

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

能把oo发对很不容易呀。
! U, G$ _- `. _- D* d8 B6 G我以前就分不清full和fool，像云吞有个帖子里说得那样。
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# @; ]; n8 Z& L2 s: n! ^' K4 Cduck的u发不准，是不是和Arbo的方言背景有关？不是你老家在那个区域......

arbo

To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
I think my local dialect doesn't interfere with my English. The problem is the British accent.

月如钩

Hawrelak的音标是什么？

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-3-16 09:54
To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
I think my local dialect doesn't ...

0 s2 [& V4 f5 k. ^Cool.
$ v" D4 T5 i, }0 w0 }0 SFurther, those who can speak more than one dialect are better able to produce sounds in a foreign language. I learned that from a linguistics book written by 桂灿昆.

月如钩

http://www.box.com/s/838e14f49f4d1c390324
7 ~$ H$ E% Y6 c+ ~1 B这个发音对吗？

arbo

I don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

月如钩

arbo 发表于 2012-3-19 17:13
6 W0 ?' m7 d3 OI don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

Thanks! Just google it and got such one as follows,
" l6 ?- ~9 O, i2 D& E. iI believe it's HAV-ri-lak. The name is Ukranian. It is often transliterated into English with a "v," not a "w." (William Hawrelak was mayor of Edmonton in the 1950s, 60s and early 70s.)
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2093383